Bug 140669 - Clarification about which toolbars should have "No List" icon
Summary: Clarification about which toolbars should have "No List" icon
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: LibreOffice
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Documentation (show other bugs)
Version:
(earliest affected)
7.1.0.3 release
Hardware: All All
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Assignee: sdc.blanco
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Whiteboard: target:7.2.0
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Blocks: Bullet-Number-Outline-Lists
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Reported: 2021-02-25 17:01 UTC by sdc.blanco
Modified: 2021-03-02 23:35 UTC (History)
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Description sdc.blanco 2021-02-25 17:01:37 UTC
1. "No List" does not appear in "Bullets and Numbering" bar and therefore should be removed from: 
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/main0206.html 

Is that correct?

2.  "No List" does not appear in "Formatting" bar (and does not appear in the help page).

Is that correct?
Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2021-03-01 10:24:16 UTC
Both, the "Formatting (Styles)" and the "Formatting" toolbars have the "No List" options now. As this option was implemented as mutually exclusive to other list options (ordered with different styles or unordered) it should be there.

The B&N (aka List Style) dialog has no "No List" option, which also seems correct to me. The only place where I miss the command is the list "tab" in the Stylist deck.

What would you expect?
Comment 2 sdc.blanco 2021-03-01 21:43:52 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #1)
Thanks for clarifications. 

> What would you expect?
Did not have expectations here -- especially because it is so easy to customize with adding and/or hiding.

Just wanted to be sure that I had the correct "default intentions" for the help pages, rather than trust the current state of the toolbar .xmls.

Re: Sidebar
There is a "No List" in the Properties Side bar.
As I understand bug 101965, a "No List" option should be added to the list of styles in List Styles.

To summarize what needs to be done in relation to toolbars and help at present:

1. Formatting bar does have "No List" (but the help page does not). Needs to be added to https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/main0202.html

2. B&N bar has "No List" (Numbering Off) in help -- but should not (and toolbar does not and should not have "No List).  So need to remove it from: https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/main0206.html


fwiw -- I hide "No List" in the formatting bar, because the "Ordered List" (F12) and "Unordered List" (Shift+F12) work as toggles (i.e., do exactly the same thing as "No List"), so "No List" is superfluous. 

Will wait a little before making the changes -- to see if until other proposals appear.
Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2021-03-02 07:19:53 UTC
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #2)
> 1. Formatting bar does have "No List" (but the help page does not). Needs to
> be added to https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/main0202.html

Correct (don't forget the "Formatting (Styles)" variant; but not special in respect to help)

> 2. B&N bar has "No List" (Numbering Off) in help -- but should not (and
> toolbar does not and should not have "No List).  So need to remove it from:
> https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/swriter/main0206.html

True, but this toolbar has a slightly different purpose with organizing the list

> fwiw -- I hide "No List" in the formatting bar, because ... work as toggles 

It's kind of a chimera with on/off per single click and pick an option after expanding. Overloading the latter feels wrong to me and I appreciate the No List item. It's also a guidance to see a certain state in the usual workflow but in particular for lists without bullets or numbers, meaning just indented.

Let's keep the ticket for documentation.
Comment 4 Commit Notification 2021-03-02 14:58:34 UTC
Seth Chaiklin committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/5e9ca1b304afe987a99cecc298dac6c43a0e17cb

tdf#140669 (related: tdf#92622) update help pages for "No List"
Comment 5 Commit Notification 2021-03-02 16:24:23 UTC
Seth Chaiklin committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/85f10dd2ed8485af159bf2e15e7e3e024b04bcf6

tdf#140669 add "No List" to Formatting toolbar help
Comment 6 sdc.blanco 2021-03-02 16:33:42 UTC
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3)
> Correct (don't forget the "Formatting (Styles)" variant; but not special in
> respect to help) 
Unfortunately, no help page for Formatting (Styles) bar.
but now the other toolbars are updated, and a few other places that mentioned what corresponds to .uno:RemoveBullets.