Bug 158274

Summary:	Impress setting list Position and Size is not consistent with what is done in Writer
Product:	LibreOffice	Reporter:	Jean-Francois Nifenecker <jean-francois.nifenecker>
Component:	Impress	Assignee:	Not Assigned <libreoffice-bugs>
Status:	RESOLVED DUPLICATE
Severity:	enhancement	CC:	aron.budea, gulsah.kose, libreoffice-ux-advise, stephane.guillou, vmiklos
Priority:	medium	Keywords:	needsUXEval
Version:	Inherited From OOo
Hardware:	All
OS:	All
See Also:	https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152654 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65003
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Bug Blocks:	48799, 103407

Description Jean-Francois Nifenecker 2023-11-19 14:10:21 UTC

Description:
In Impress, changing the distance between a bullet and the associated text is cumbersome and not consistent with what has to be done under Writer.

In Writer :
1. Edit any list style
2. In the dialogue, 'Position' tab, set the appropriate values for the target level.

In Impress :
1. Open the Master slide
2. Right click the text line to update and choose 'Bullets and numbering'
3. In the dialogue, set the 'Width' value.
Note : This can NOT be done using the 'Outline N' styles.

The current way of settings things implies much questioning and seems overly complicated.

The Impress way is not consistent in that it should be done, IMO, using the 'Outline N' styles.

Steps to Reproduce:
See above.

Actual Results:
Inconsistency

Expected Results:
Consistency using styles.


Reproducible: Always


User Profile Reset: No

Additional Info:
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Comment 1 Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2023-12-05 13:49:57 UTC

Thanks Jean-François.

Regarding the Format > Bullets and Numbering dialog:
The Impress dialog seems to be a mix between the "Position" and "Customize" tabs of Writer's Bullets and Numbering dialog.
It's true that it is quite inconsistent between the two components.

Regarding the editing of styles:
(In reply to Jean-Francois Nifenecker from comment #0)
> Note : This can NOT be done using the 'Outline N' styles.
[...]
> The Impress way is not consistent in that it should be done, IMO, using the
> 'Outline N' styles.
The was a recent conversation on a related topic in bug 157264, showing that it is probably common to expect these "Presentation styles" to behave just like Writer List style do (in modifying them and applying them).

Currently, these Outline styles allow changing Numbering settings in the "Customize" tab for all different levels, regardless of which Outline style is being edited. So it makes sense to expect to also be able to change the "Size" and "Position" settings as well.

So I see two issues here:
A) Make the Format > Bullets and Numbering dialog consistent across components
B) Make Position and Size settings available when editing Outline styles - which I think is supposed to be covered by bug 65003.

This is in a way related to proper support of list styles in Impress/Draw, tracked in bug 152654.
And general UI improvements of the Bullets and Numbering dialog are tracked in bug 120905.

Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2024-01-05 14:00:33 UTC

The Impress dialog was a step towards an improved UI proposed in https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/10/28/impress-lists/ done in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/71944 by Gülşah. I don't know if we need an extra ticket for the next steps.

Comment 3 Heiko Tietze 2024-02-12 09:21:57 UTC


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 120905 ***