Bug 140478

Summary:	Basic fonts option for List does not have any effect for lists created with Format - Bullets and Numbering - contra to description in Help
Product:	LibreOffice	Reporter:	sdc.blanco
Component:	Documentation	Assignee:	Not Assigned <libreoffice-bugs>
Status:	RESOLVED FIXED
Severity:	normal	CC:	himajin100000, libreoffice-ux-advise, mikekaganski, olivier.hallot
Priority:	medium	Keywords:	needsUXEval
Version:	7.2.0.0.alpha0+
Hardware:	All
OS:	All
See Also:	https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136098
Whiteboard:	target:7.2.0
Crash report or crash signature:		Regression By:
Bug Depends on:
Bug Blocks:	113944

Description sdc.blanco 2021-02-17 15:53:58 UTC

1. Change Font type for "List" in Tools - Options - LibreOffice Writer - Basic Fonts.

2.  Make a list item  (using Toggle Ordered List or Toggle Unordered List or apply a List Style).

Actual result:    uses paragraph style font type/font size value
Expected result:  use values set for "List" in Basic Font dialog.


Additional question about the "help" page:

According to:   https://help.libreoffice.org/7.2/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01040300.html#bm_id3152922

When you choose Format - Numbering/Bullets to format a paragraph with numbers or bullets in a text document, the program assigns these Paragraph Styles automatically.

Question: Shouldn't the help page say that the "font" and "font size" for "List" in Basic Font is used when Format - Numbering/Bullets is used?

(i.e., nothing to do with Paragraph Style)

Comment 1 sdc.blanco 2021-03-08 14:01:33 UTC

Adding NeedsUXEval and cc to Mike Kaganski, especially for information about the "intended"/"expected" behavior here (and a comment about the accuracy of the current help page).

Comment 2 Heiko Tietze 2021-03-09 09:15:38 UTC

My take: remove the List option from basic fonts.

Comment 3 Commit Notification 2021-03-15 23:36:03 UTC

Seth Chaiklin committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/5a491d5ee63f9cb309384f65d7a652342ce05fd1

Related tdf#140478 update "List" for Tools-Options-Writer-Basic Fonts

Comment 4 Mike Kaganski 2021-03-16 04:04:12 UTC

Steps to check:

1. Create a new Writer document.
2. F11 to open styles
3. Expand *Paragraph Styles* to see "List" and children (in Hierarchical view they are children of Text Body)
4. Now change the Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Writer -> Basic Fonts -> List to, say, a Windings font
5. Look at the mentioned style preview.

Comment 5 Commit Notification 2021-03-16 08:28:10 UTC

Seth Chaiklin committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/help/commit/09799dd8cd57f5971241ba7a5a3365220d106407

tdf#140478 clarify explanation of List in Basic Fonts

Comment 6 sdc.blanco 2021-03-16 08:53:57 UTC

Thanks for insight, Mike.  

Initial description (actual/expected) in comment 0 is still accurate.

Help page issue is clarified.

Have modified bug summary to reflect the issue in terms of existing interface/design. 

Implications (e.g., comment 2, comment 4) left to others.

Comment 7 Heiko Tietze 2022-02-28 13:33:29 UTC

As Mike explained in c4, tools > options > basic fonts define what is used on this group of styles. The expectation was probably that some "list" paragraph style is automatically applied when the paragraph's ordered/unordered list attribute is set. 

=> NAB, but FX as documentation issue